Obama's Presidency

[+ RJ]

Personally, I think of McCain/ Palin had won... we'd be worse off though. I mean, the church would take over, it would be all corrupt....

[Randy]

Well, the only thing I can honestly say about that... Is we'll never know, 'cause he didn't win. So... Yeah... ><

[☭ Yeagger ☭]

People do change, however.

On another matter, don't get me started on what ifs. I remember reading a comic (The Umbrella Academy, I think), where one of the characters time-traveled and "fixed" time, and ended up killing JFK. So I began wondering what the world would be like if he hadn't died, and got a headache.

[Randy]

Yes, they do.

And, lol, that's one of the reason why I try not to think about the what-ifs. xD

[+ RJ]

What if Mit Romney had been elected? (Anyone remember him? XD )

[Kiwi]

...

So, back on the original subject of this thread: I'm more or less content with Obama. Better than Bush Jr, edges out Clinton, better than Bush Sr... and so forth... at least, from my perspective.

I didn't vote for him though. I didn't vote for McCain either. I voted for a third party candidate. Fuck the two-party system, it's a coin flip away from China.

[+ RJ]

Definitely better than Bush.
I didn't vote for him either, but that's only because I can't vote yet.

[Randy]

I'm not. I don't like what he's doing with the taxes, I'm totally against that. It's pretty stupid. We're 11 trillion dollars in debt and he's making more things and raising taxes to make those things.
I don't like the Health Care system he's proposing... In fact, had he done that 40 years ago he would have be accused of Communism. Yeah.

But that's just my opinion, and there's not really that much I can do about it(well at least not just complaining) So, yeah. I'm not saying he's better than Bush or worse, because quite frankly, it doesn't matter which one's better or worse. I'm just saying I'm not too fond of his policies.

[Kiwi]

Forty years ago, a man would have been accused of Communism had he worn red. ._.;

Anyway, if you look at it, Communism isn't such a horrible horrible idea fundamentally, but it generally couldn't work on such a large scale. And that's why we have Socialism, which is what the majority of developed countries make use of... The only reason the United States doesn't, in my opinion, is because certain individuals never wish to let go of the selfish prospect of being ludicrously rich and powerful--especially the currently rich and powerful--even if it also means to let unemployment and homelessness run rampant.

So even if he is slowly turning us Socialist, I'm not too concerned. All it really means on my level is less people will be asking me for change, and less assholes will be stuck in traffic with cars capable of doing 200.

[+ RJ]

Communish was a beautiful idea, had it not been corrupted and abused. But if you could find a way to have it work, it would really be the best gov't ever created. Though, come to think of it... if we had a combination of democracy and communism -SHEBAM- It could be quite amazing.

[Randy]

There is no way for communism to work without be corrupted. Every time it has been tried the people starve and the Government live free and richly. That is exactly why America was built! The people were overused and now you want to do the same thing? Hell no! The less Government the better! People aught to be able to live their own lives and make their own bloody mistakes! I believe firmly in as little Government as absolutely possible! There is no way that communism would work for that very reason. It will always be corruptible. End of story.

So, yeah, if I had a choice I'd throw Obama out and get somebody in who understands that. I could rant on about the subject but I get a little pissed off about it. I guess you can say I believe in individualism! Every person has a right to think for their own bloody self.

[Kiwi]

Ja.
I thought Obama was one of the few against the mind control chips? |:

I agree though, Communism will never work in large scale government. Even so, the free market has its problems as well. Had the market of the United States stayed 100% free, we would still be living in ratshed apartment buildings with a dozen people to a room while Rockefeller was humping congress into submission (not to mention your wife, srsly; the way it was going, I wouldn't have been surprised if the rich would today be able to "pay" a fee to sleep with your spouse before you on your wedding night (and every anniversary thereafter)). We would still be in the Gilded Age. At absolute most, 10% of us would today have the luxury of owning computers (hell, could modern computers even exist?). Thus, I'm all for modifying the Free Market to a degree, provided we don't in fact become Communist.

Now Socialist, I wouldn't really care either way for, but I honestly don't think we're heading in that direction. In any case, it isn't like we're losing democracy or representation....

...But really, when its balls-to-the-wall, how many times have tax cuts actually worked during a depression? I'll take the stimulus package, thanks.

[Randy]

To some degree, yeah, probably, until the day when Man(as in the human race) learns to live on its own without Government, we need it to some extent. The problem is, that people begin to rely upon it and give it more power than it should honestly have, thus creating Government controlled society which has never worked anywhere in the past and I'm quite certain it shan't work now.

And yeah, we are kind of heading towards Socialism with all the health care bull they're pulling. And, no, I'm kind of against that, too. <.< I guess you can say I'm pretty much against government in generally. I believe that the Government should be as absolutely small as possible until there is no need for it at all and people learn to take care of their own bloody selves!(There's a bit more to it but that's the general gist <.<)

Personally, I'm pretty much against it. I think they should consider paying off the 11 Trillion(yes, that is an actual word!) debt they had before they start borrowing money to pay us. But that's just my opinion, and it doesn't really matter much because it's already doing it's thing, and I don't really know all that much about the whole situation, I'm still learning about it. Slowly, too boot. <.<

[Kiwi]

So you're an anarchist? .-. I don't understand that mentality. I mean, yes, having no government would be nice... but you couldn't have a hell of a lot of things. Like, say, a common or remotely upheld sense of justice, mail, money... the lack of monopolies... electric power. Democracy, government by the people, is a better alternative in my opinion; unfortunately on such a large scale as this, we can only elect a representative who the majority of us can hopefully agree with. Yet, that idea has infinite flaws. The United States government has even more flaws. Democracy is the worst form of government possible, excluding all the others, yes. But at the same time, I'd rather have the satisfaction that the bully in middle school couldn't have killed me without consequence--hell, I'm glad I could go to middle school without having to sell my soul.

So yes. Your options are: nuke over 95% of the world's population, wait until mankind 'matures' (I lul at the prospect), live in the remote and desolate regions of this world (or a man-made island) with like-minded thinkers, found your own damn government, or shut up and deal with it. Of course, you could always give a shot at actually improving the system already in place... god forbid you should have to actually do that.

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About the "11 Trillion"... You know that nine-billion-dollar (or whatever it was, I don't really care) bailout? The US Mint printed that money, if you weren't aware. Just like that. Money has no worth in this country any more, it's just paper which is really hard to emulate. So get over it, and hope we switch over to the proposed Energy Standard before all that capitol you have in the bank becomes worthless due to the over-circulation of currency (Again, I lul at the prospect of us actually being forward enough to do that. I'm fucking moving to Canada or Japan or something). So in other words, if they keep printing it like the callous idiots/bastards they are, the US Dollar will become so worthless that you could sell your brother's bike for eleven trillion.

I can't wait. .-.

[Randy]

Well, sort of. I believe that we need the Government as of now, and it wouldn't be a good thing to remove it yet, Mankind has matured enough. I believe that we just have to suffer through until Mankind matures enough to NOT need a Government. I mean, we're very young for a race. We're only, like, 30 thousand years old(that's young for a race) so yeah, I think we need to mature enough to not need a Government. But, I won't be alive for that, so, yeah, I just have to suck it up and deal with it. <.<

What? You think I'd do a bad job in a Government role? Such faith! No, but really, if I could, I'd do the whole Nuke the planet, but then again, that wouldn't actually work if one stopped to think about it. But that's a different discussion for another day.

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Yeah, well, I hadn't gotten to inflation. The only thing I could think of is blow up the factories that make the money and then start burning chunks of it at random until it's worth something again. Yeah, I'm not very political. If you really want me to discuss inflation I'll get my sister on, she's the one that's been studying that. <.<